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Re: explain me the unexplained

Unread postby MarlenS » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:58 am

marissa wrote:MarlenS, I think I feel your despair. I'm so sorry that all those things didn't work for you, but don't be upset too early. I've seen a statement which has it "there is no absolute infertility". and you know what? I tend to believe in it. I'm not unexplained though, i think that no one would explain you such things and I know that it's killing you and all those women in the same boat.
but what did your dr tell you? maybe there are alternative methods like donor egg ivf or something like that?

Thank you! it sounded really cheerful! There is no absolute infertility… I think I believe in this sentence. It gives me energy to move on. But I didn’t hear it before.
I know that my situation can be suddenly turned around and I’ll forget immediately this nightmare. How many women suffering from infertility! How many families, My God! Floating in the same boat gives a support. We had touched the issue of using DE above on this topic, and I want to ask you the same, how do you think it’s enough easy to undergo the DE IVF remembering you have your healthy eggs at the same time and no restrictions to be stimulated?

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Re: explain me the unexplained

Unread postby MarlenS » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:34 am

davidson wrote:
MarlenS wrote:Davidson
I guess you’ve reached your success on DE? Oh, dear. Have you reached? You really can see how it’s difficult to decide to go through the procedures with help of donor eggs if you still have good quality of your own. And you have regular periods and regular sex. We don’t exclude this variant and we are not going to waste the rest of the health through the endless ivf rounds. We need to be advised.

This is unbelievable :envy There must be some reason, everything in this world has a reason for its existence. What did the doctors say about it? Did you do test in order to confirm your disease or what you have? what were their prognosis?
To my mind, you'd better to undergo de ivf. Probably it will help you, as you said you would keep trying.

p.s. no, I didn't reach my goal. It's just our first steps. we applied for de surrogacy but I feel helpless and devastated with this issue.


Oh, God. I see you certainly experienced the harder things. I’m afraid to ask what you had lived through. Yes. The DE attempt is our possible future.
I guess we have to consider the whole specter of the given options. You suggest to use DE, but there’s no legal opportunity for us to use it in Norway or neared countries. How did you search and choose the place for your treatment?

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Re: explain me the unexplained

Unread postby marissa » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:08 am

MarlenS wrote:
marissa wrote:MarlenS, I think I feel your despair. I'm so sorry that all those things didn't work for you, but don't be upset too early. I've seen a statement which has it "there is no absolute infertility". and you know what? I tend to believe in it. I'm not unexplained though, i think that no one would explain you such things and I know that it's killing you and all those women in the same boat.
but what did your dr tell you? maybe there are alternative methods like donor egg ivf or something like that?

Thank you! it sounded really cheerful! There is no absolute infertility… I think I believe in this sentence. It gives me energy to move on. But I didn’t hear it before.
I know that my situation can be suddenly turned around and I’ll forget immediately this nightmare. How many women suffering from infertility! How many families, My God! Floating in the same boat gives a support. We had taught the issue of using DE above on this topic, and I want to ask you the same, how do you think it’s enough easy to undergo through DE IVF remembering you have your healthy eggs at the same time and no restrictions to be stimulated?


you should believe in it and think positive all the time. I'm sure this helps to achieve any goal. I heard about cases when a woman can't get pregnant because of some psychological barriers. and the women conceived after a mental therapy. You need to have a consultation with your dr after all, only then you'll know the range of options which suit you best. I know what is donor egg IVF personally, I've been through this. this procedure gives you pretty high chances for success, but you must be sure that there are no contraindications.

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Re: explain me the unexplained

Unread postby MarlenS » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:21 am

Momsie wrote:You see, there’s always a reason. Nothing can be unexplained in our lives. The difference is that not always we can find the reason. The thing you’re talking about may be called psychological infertility. I’ve heard quite a bit about it recently. Quite possible that the reason for your failed conception is not medical, and psychological. Have you thought about it? What are your relationships with husband? What are you social roles? Are you satisfied with your professional success? How are you going to combine mothering and your profession or business? Your parents – are they ready to have grandchildren? Just try to figure this out and you may find a missing detail that may be your psychological block for your fertility to strive (sorry if it sounds as if you’re visiting a psychologist – I really didn’t mean that). you know, speaking with someone you don’t know and asking for advice may be eye opening, so just try figuring this all out xxx

I find it very interesting. Wow! The basics of our fertile problem can depend on our social status. Perhaps we may discuss it. First of all, I need to refute the version #1 – I madly love my husband and we have no complains. We are almost happy, you can guess why ‘almost’. The business works and gives enough money even for traveling. I don’t know about parents’ readiness to have grandchildren, I have no parents. We fight alone.

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Re: explain me the unexplained

Unread postby davidson » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:52 am

MarlenS wrote:
davidson wrote:
MarlenS wrote:Davidson
I guess you’ve reached your success on DE? Oh, dear. Have you reached? You really can see how it’s difficult to decide to go through the procedures with help of donor eggs if you still have good quality of your own. And you have regular periods and regular sex. We don’t exclude this variant and we are not going to waste the rest of the health through the endless ivf rounds. We need to be advised.

This is unbelievable :envy There must be some reason, everything in this world has a reason for its existence. What did the doctors say about it? Did you do test in order to confirm your disease or what you have? what were their prognosis?
To my mind, you'd better to undergo de ivf. Probably it will help you, as you said you would keep trying.

p.s. no, I didn't reach my goal. It's just our first steps. we applied for de surrogacy but I feel helpless and devastated with this issue.


Oh, God. I see you certainly experienced the harder things. I’m afraid to ask what you had lived through. Yes. The DE attempt is our possible future.
I guess we have to consider the whole specter of the given options. You suggest to use DE, but there’s no legal opportunity for us to use it in Norway or neared countries. How did you search and choose the place for your treatment?

Yes, the life was cruel to me. I've experienced the hardest thing in the world. Many years ago I was diagnosed with thyroid carcinoma. This disease caused a lot of bad consequences. The doctors cut the thyroid and I have to undergo 2 cycles of chemo. It damaged my body and mind. In addition, I failed, as you know already, 3 cycles of IUI and 2 of IVf. My left ovary is empty and second one is damaged with endometriosis. So, I lost all chances to get pregnant and be a mom.
speaking about place where we applied for. It's happened eventually. We met a friend of my husband at the meeting. She was nice and asked about our life and questions like that, word by word and she said that a friend of her has the similar issue, I mean infertility problems, she used to undergo her treatment in ukraine. At that time, I knew nothing about this country, but after some time I decided to work out on this and found a very interesting information for myself.
p.s. there are no worries about legislation, first of all look for the countries where reproductive medicine is allowed. It will narrow the boundaries of searches.

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Re: explain me the unexplained

Unread postby Momsie » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:02 pm

great to know that you have "almost" ideal relationships with your husband. this is on top of everything else. your mutual love, support and care is all that matters. sorry to hear you are deprived of parent's love. sorry for asking if it hurts. I'm sure if they were alive, they would be happy to welcome grandchildren in their lives.
In any case, you're not alone. no doubt you have good friends and relatives who are there for you, as well as good fertility specialists who will help you to become parents

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Re: explain me the unexplained

Unread postby MarlenS » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:14 pm

Momsie wrote:great to know that you have "almost" ideal relationships with your husband. this is on top of everything else. your mutual love, support and care is all that matters. sorry to hear you are deprived of parent's love. sorry for asking if it hurts. I'm sure if they were alive, they would be happy to welcome grandchildren in their lives.
In any case, you're not alone. no doubt you have good friends and relatives who are there for you, as well as good fertility specialists who will help you to become parents


I thank you for good words, we feel happy for our relationships, he’s magical and I try to fit. An issue related to my own parents is too deep in me, we have interrupted our connection more than 7 years ago, and there were defined reasons to do it.
They were addicted to alcohol stronger than to me, and I figured out the price of family love very early.

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Re: explain me the unexplained

Unread postby marissa » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:38 pm

MarlenS wrote:
Momsie wrote:great to know that you have "almost" ideal relationships with your husband. this is on top of everything else. your mutual love, support and care is all that matters. sorry to hear you are deprived of parent's love. sorry for asking if it hurts. I'm sure if they were alive, they would be happy to welcome grandchildren in their lives.
In any case, you're not alone. no doubt you have good friends and relatives who are there for you, as well as good fertility specialists who will help you to become parents


I thank you for good words, we feel happy for our relationships, he’s magical and I try to fit. An issue related to my own parents is too deep in me, we have interrupted our connection more than 7 years ago, and there were defined reasons to do it.
They were addicted to alcohol stronger than to me, and I figured out the price of family love very early.


oh god, i'm so sorry you had issues with your parents. My friend has similar problems and I know how hard it could be to feel that the closest and the dearest people are strangers sometimes. but I'm sure that you won't repeat your parents' mistakes, as you know how important family relationships are. however, maybe you should apply for a specialist to talk to? childish fears can be the reason for your infertility, I guess. but I can be mistaken of course.

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Re: explain me the unexplained

Unread postby MarlenS » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:12 pm

marissa

need to admit I don’t see any ways to resume our relations. I even don’t know where they live the same as they don’t know where I’m now and what a problem I want to solve now. I don't feel sad about that. Sh*t happens. It was a bit wrong to call them alcoholics. Perhaps there are people who suffered from more serious problems .but it's better to name them Beasts and Creatures! The terrible clue to dig out the true cause of my bad memories is that my younger sister has dead because they had left her completely alone for too long to have a fun. It’s unforgivable crime. She was just a suckling baby. and I was far from the city we lived because I studied. .. .

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Re: explain me the unexplained

Unread postby Momsie » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:56 pm

OMG! Do you really mean that? It's seems i've never heard such a terrific story of parenting before! I don't want to say abusive things here because they are still your parents, and always will be, but still - it leaves me speechless!
I also realize that this all left a deep impact on your character and attitude to life. Correct me if I'm wrong

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